Inconsistencies Between Original Star Wars Trilogy and Prequels

George Lucas's greatest fuck-ups.

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  • Han Solo is a lying asshole

    rockgrant
    on 4/4/09

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    In ANH, Han says that he doesn't believe in the Force, calling it an ancient religion and equating it to magic and superstition. But just 19 years ago, the entire galaxy was defended by dozens of Jedi Knights. How could Han, who was probably a young man at that time, not believe in the Force? That would be the equivalent of someone claiming that the Reagan administration never happened.
    • yoda
      on 23/11/11

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      I dont believe in religion, yet it exist in my time.
      • Grant
        on 23/11/11

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        But wouldn't you believe in it if, just 19 years ago, there were dozens of people using "religious" powers to move objects with their minds, see the future, and communicate with each other?
    • aztec
      on 26/10/12

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      In the fourth draft of ANH Lucas describes Solo as "about thirty years old." The expanded universe has him at being born 29 years before "The Battle of Yavin." So Solo would be approximately 10 years old when The Republic took over. Are you saying that it is improbable for a 10 year old boy to not be up to speed on what is occurring through out the universe?
    • aztec
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      Is it improbable that a boy on Corellia to have never met a Jedi? Let us say that he had not seen a Jedi. Then for the majority of his life grew up in a universe without Jedi...is it improbable that he would doubt the existence of the Force?
      • rockgrant
        on 26/10/12

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        I just used Han as an example. In the conference room scene aboard the Death Star, an Imperial officer calls the force 'ancient sorcerer's ways.' My point is that it's obvious in the original trilogy that the force is meant to be something old and mysterious, whereas in the prequels, which take place just 19 years earlier, it's ubiquitous.
        • aztec
          on 26/10/12

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          Ok. Let's use some logic with what we are told from ANH.Luke appears around 20 years old. He is told that his father was a Jedi and was murdered. If his father had been the last Jedi and murdered the day after knocking up his mother, the earliest the Jedi could have died out would be about 20years 9 months before ANH. Obviously, we know that when they say ancient religion that they are not saying that it was wiped out long ago. Christianity is an ancient religion but still around today.
  • Leia is a lying bitch

    rockgrant
    on 4/4/09

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    In ROTJ, Leia claims that she remembers brief images of her real mother. This is impossible, as Padme dies minutes after giving birth to her. So either Leia is full of shit, or she has Jedi memory powers that allow her to remember coming out of Natalie Portman's vagina. Actually, that would be awesome.
    • BenH
      on 13/7/10

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      It may only have been minutes, but Leia was born before Padme dies. So not impossible. And Leia is the daughter of one of the most powerful Jedi to have lived, so "Jedi memory powers" is not out of the question.
    • JAYMZ
      on 28/11/10

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      I noticed something else. In ANH Obi-wan refers to Luke's aunt and uncle as Skywalkers... But in AOTC we learn that it was Anakin's Step brother and step sister in law.. so they wouldn't have the name Skywalker at all.
      • aztec
        on 26/10/12

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        I don't recall Kenobi referring to Owen and Beru as Skywalker's. I have the fourth edition of the screen play and they are Lars.
    • Mark
      on 2/1/12

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      1000 flaws with Star Wars, even the first: Why the fuck doesn’t the Star Destroyer destroy Leia’s ship with the plans instead of boarding it?? Then the Star Destroyer officers see the escape pod but “detect no life forms” so they let it go! Only Vader, who finds out later, is smart enough to realize it could contain the plans. In fact, except for the one time Kenobi mind-tricks the troopers, there are multiple times other they inexplicably ignore the droids.
      • aztec
        on 26/10/12

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        If they blow the ship up without confirming the plans were on board then there is no proof that they had the plans in the first place.
    • aztec
      on 26/10/12

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      As a female, Leia is more likely to connect to her mother emotionally. So it is not far fetched at all that Padme's sadness is imprinted on her while she is being born. It is also very plausible that Leia is remembering images of her adopted mother, but mistaking them for Padme.
      • Rockgrant
        on 26/10/12

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        So women have psychic emotional connections with their mothers? Which draft of the script is that in? And if the intent is that she is remembering her adopted mother and confusing the two, then maybe Lucas should have showed us the adopted mother at some point. Otherwise, you're just making wild conjectures.
        • aztec
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          I never said that it was in the script. I meant in real life women pick up on emotions better than men. And if they do so in real life, is it far fetched that in a universe with a mysterious Force...a female child has imprinted on her memory that her mother was sad when her mother was dying of a broken heart as she was giving birth to her.
        • aztec
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          I am not in anyway making wild conjecture. I am making a very rationale point. I never said that it was the intent of Lucas. If you want to argue that then there are many things that could happen. Lucas never intended Vader to be Luke's father, but it happened. We are talking about what happened in the realm of the Star Wars universe.
        • aztec
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          In addition, if you remember, Yoda says, "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past...old friends long gone." So it is possible that with an emotional attachment to her mother, Leia saw glimpses of her mother through the Force.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi is (still) a lying asshole

    rockgrant
    on 4/4/09

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    What is it with this guy? In ROTJ, Obi-Wan tells Luke that when he met Anakin, he was already a great pilot. But when Obi-Wan met Anakin, he was a nine year-old shit who thought angels were real. Yeah, he could race a pod OK and he accidentally blows up a Trade Federation ship at the end, but neither of those really qualify him as a "great pilot."
    • aztec
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      Anakin managed to do something that some TRAINED pilots didn't do.....not get blown up, destroy the command ship and escaped. By the way, Kenobi was not there to see it. So what he knows it that Anakin blew up the command ship. That is a great pilot. He also piloted the pods. He was the ONLY human that could do that. Again....great pilot.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi is a lying asshole

    rockgrant
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    In Empire, Obi-Wan tells Luke that Yoda is the Jedi who trained him. But in Phantom Menace, it's clear that Obi-Wan was actually trained by Qui-Gon Jinn. Not that you can blame him--Liam Neison also trained Batman and saved the Jews. I'd want him to train me too.
    • BenH
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      At the end of episode III at the downfall of the Jedi, Yoda tells Kenobi that he has training for him. So at some point between III and IV, Yoda was his master. All your supposed inconsistencies suck. I have an answer for every one of them. I'm done with this.
      • Grant
        on 23/11/11

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        If you spent 10-15 years training under Teacher A, and then learned 1 single lesson from Teacher B, would you refer to Teacher B as "the master who trained you?" I understand that Obi-Wan's statement is accurate to some degree, but the wording of it doesn't make any sense. "I learned a lot from Yoda," or "Yoda was one of my greatest teachers" would be fine, but not "Yoda is the Jedi master who trained me."
    • BenH
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      At the end of episode III at the downfall of the Jedi, Yoda tells Kenobi that he has training for him. So at some point between III and IV, Yoda was his master. All your supposed inconsistencies suck. I have an answer for every one of them. I'm done with this.
    • raf
      on 19/7/11

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      I fact Joda teaches young padawans in EII. It is possible that young Obi was trained as a young boy. Isn't it?
    • Angel
      on 9/6/12

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      Yoda entrenó a Obi Wan cuando era un younglin, antes de que su maestro (Qui Gon) le fuera asignado
    • aztec
      on 26/10/12

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      In TPM we see that Yoda trains the younglings. So yes...Yoda trained Kenobi.
    • Criss
      on 31/12/12

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      Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda as a youngling (as seen in Attack Of The Clones), before becoming Qui-Gon's padawan.
  • Yoda is a lying asshole

    rockgrant
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    In Empire, Yoda tells Luke that a Jedi only uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. What he fails to mention, however, is that just 20 years earlier he hurled giant fucking metal pods at Emperor Palpatine. Knowledge and defense my ass.
    • yoda
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      "hurled giant fucking metal pods" - no he grabbed one pod, spun it and glided it back. Palatine say it coming. Yoda is defending the other jedis by attempting to rid of this monster. This common, is exaggerated.
    • TheHolyTrilogy
      on 26/10/12

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      You could still stay he was acting in his own defense... that's a slippery slope I don't want to try walking up right now, though. Of course, in the real story, Yoda goes into hiding at some point, and Palpatine and Vader are never even aware of his existence, otherwise they would have mentioned it (and not by referring to him as their "little green friend." Who wrote that script? Fozzie Bear?)
    • aztec
      on 26/10/12

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      He returned a metal pod in defense. He was defending himself and the universe.
      • rockgrant
        on 26/10/12

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        So was battling Dooku in defense as well? Dooku wasn't threatening him, he was trying to escape.
        • aztec
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          First, in the original's Luke is told many things that he needs to hear. Vader murdered his father. Once one starts down the path of the Dark Side then it will forever dominate your path
        • aztec
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          Now, let's once again use some logic from what we know about ESB. Yoda is training Luke to defeat Vader and the Emperor. So do we think that they are just going to sit on Dagobah and wait for Vader to come attack Luke? No he is going to meet Vader in battle because that is what is best for the universe. The same for Dooku. He must be defeated in defense of the universe.